Para-Ordnance P14-45, in 45ACP of course. :)

Glock 20
 

Glock 20 with Corbon's or Winchester Silvertips...

10MM, I shoot better with my G20 than I do with any other pistol yet.
So, being able to hit my target, and, using a pretty nasty caliber/loading is my solution to things that I can't go after with my AR or HK91....


Dave

HK P9s in .45

The mag release is a little cranky but nothing a little practice can't overcome.

Be wary of the man who only owns one gun...
 

I agree with SFRadioman, the one in your hand is the best one...

My grandfather always told me to be wary of the man who only owns one gun because it probably is a natural extension of that individual and he'll know it as well as he knows his own body....

I'm quite fond of the Browning HP as it points well, accurate, and I have never had a malfunction with mine (and it's stock!). I have owned many different handguns and always keep coming back to the BHP. But then again, I have a tricked out Kimber 1911 that comes in a close second.

My 2 cents worth of gunstore philosophy...

We may have had the same grandfather.

Kimber CDP. My 2¢.

Gene

I am of the Beretta generation - and I utterly hate that piece of junk.

If it *must* be 9mil, then give me a Sig 226.

Otherwise, I'll gladly take a well-used full-size 1911, good mags, good ammo, and a piece of skateboard tape for the front strap.

DOL,

How does the P226 compare to the 225? I have the 225 in 9mm and love it (even better than the 239)... I haven't handled a 226 yet though.

Thank you in advance,

m1

Hey! What about the trigger issues? :munchin ;)

Sir Razor, the P239 had worse trigger issues... the pounds in DA, etc.

Mr. Yost did a lot of work on her... installed a short trigger, lightened the pull, etc. It's much better now.

The P225 actually has a better trigger for me out of factory. Even though it's a little more of a reach, the action is smoother and it's lighter. I ordered a short trigger for that one last week too though, and when time permits, it will go to the spa. Overall though, I like the feel of the 225 better, both grip and otherwise. Interesting that is was made back when they were still being produced in Germany. The 239 was made here in the U.S.

I would be curious to see if DOL (or anyone for that matter) has an opinion on the 226 versus the 225. (Although the last thing I need right now is to find myself another pistol to want). lol. :cool:

m1

IIRC, the P225 was the 'daddy' of the P226. It was being used by European police and some military units in the 80s. When the US Army put out its requirements for a new standard issue pistol, it stipulated that the weapon have a 15rd capacity (hence a double stack magazine) and a western-style mag release button. Thus, SIG built the P226 to be a larger, wider P225 that could carry the requisite number of rounds, and had a mag release button near the trigger as opposed to a European release near the magwell. Having a longer slide, and hence a longer sight radius, might make it a bit easier to aim accurately at longer distances, but as they're both handguns, that's a relative comparison. The longer barrel and slide also add a little more weight towards the muzzle, which can lessen muzzle flip by a fraction, but in 9mm its pretty much moot.

Because the P225 is shorter and thinner than a P226, its a little easier to carry concealed. However, a P228/229 is dimensionally similar to the P225 (the P225 is a fraction of an inch slimmer), and provides you with increased magazine capacity (both in standard capacity mags, and the ability to use P226 mags), and in the P229 the ability to carry a larger or hotter round (.40/.357 SIG). When in doubt, buy a Powerball ticket and buy one of each when you win!

Edited to add: I was reminded to mention that P225s built for export to the US featured a western-style mag release, while those kept in Europe retained their butt-centric (go figure, huh) button design.

I'm a pistol snob so I'm going to say a Colt Series 70, full house job. I should be getting mine back in december from my smith. heinie sights, kart barrell, yost bonitz ignition set, greider trigger, Ed Brown match bushing and slide stop, Wilson Combat extractor and ejector , S&A magwell. flattened and serrated slide top 35 LPI, high cut and checker front strap 20 LPI, serrate rear of slide 50 LPI. :D

P14-45 Limited, I'd change the front sight to a .090, add an aftec extractor, get the trigger worked to around 2lbs and throw in some Wolff plus power mag springs (I also might get it refinished to keep it from rusting).

Frost,

Let me know when you return the 1911 clone for "another" overhaul......;)

Get yourself an H&K full size USP and break your 1911 addiction.:cool:


TS
I'm going shooting tomorrow morning with some Phoenix LEO's, you're welcome to come along!

NEVER!!!!!:lifter

I just picked up a series 80 on Saturday and will be doing the mods on it myself. it's my learning gun. The smith doing my full house is a friend of mine and is going to teach me how to do the trigger jobs, reliability jobs, etc.

Say, isn't the HK made of plastic?:D

thanks for the invite, this week is bad though. I have a crime scene supplement to do for my detective cert class. its due wed. and I'm only about half done. why anyone would want to be a "dick" is beyond me.....

TS seems to like you, but I'm still going to duck and cover...:)

Fn Five Seven
 

For what it's worth,

I really like my Glock 19 and my FN Five-Seven. Glock is the first pistol I ever shot, so I'm very comfortable with it.

But recently I've come to favor the Five Seven. I purchased it about 3 months ago after trying it against a USP 45 and a Sig 226. The FN felt lighter in my hand and I was able to hit targets with it faster, repeatedly with smaller groupings. Thing has almost no recoil, though the sights needed some tuning out of the box :(

Then again I've never had to fire a shot in anger in my life. All my experience is with range dummies and paper targets.

j

Yes,"new millennium" materials and shoots bullet holes through bullet holes, "off the shelf".

I've been down the road you are now taking, after you have spent 5 times what the gun originally cost you will come over to the dark side......:p


TS

Bless you for keeping 10,000 gunsmiths in business!

BTW do you get a tax break when purchasing a 1911 because it's now considered an "antique"?:rolleyes:

What the hell did you do to yours?

RL
HK Enthusiast

Hey - Didn't one of the State Police Troops call that the leg shooter due to the ADs in the leg over that little squeezey cocky thingy bobie? :p

Just a rumor I witnessed. :munchin

Why not just carry a .22 Magnum?

TR

Let me know how that runs with a 2 pound trigger.:rolleyes:

I hope that you never have to shoot anyone with it.

TR

No time to read the entire thread but....
Sig/Sauer P-220, .45 caliber
Also agree with TS's point of view. Why pour money into an antique only to make it as good as something that shoots just as well off the shelf?
I also hear great things about the USP.

I don't like revolvers :) But I've also never tried one.

I had read a little about the Five-Seven in prior to going to the range and making my purchase. It seemed like an interesting idea. Pistol that fires a SMG round. Supposedly favored by the Secret Service. 20 round magazine (though since I live in NJ I only have the 10 round mags).

I was interested but after I fired one it felt so sweet...perhaps I was seduced ;-)

j

The point is, low recoil in a light gun = low power.

You are carrying a gun with almost no stopping power. The round has very little terminal effect. You will be making small .22 caliber holes in the target with a short, FMJ projo with little propensity to create damage when it yaws. And due to the light projo weight, it bleeds off velocity very rapidly. Ergo, it is not a very effective round.

An SMG fires a pistol cartridge by definition.

The only Secret Service use of the 5.7 may be in a P-90.

I have a S&W 41 that is sweet as well, but I wouldn't bring it to a gun fight if I had any other options.

Understood. That's why I keep my Glock 19 right next to it :)

I had polled the users here a little while back and received an overwhelming endorsement for the USP. I see in this thread many of the users are still a big fan of it. That will probably be the next pistol I purchase.

j

I've had the para set up like that for three years, I only use it for IDPA matches. I've put a fair amount of rounds through it, it runs fine. What's the weight on your trigger pull?


I am aware of the potential legal problems involved with shooting someone with a modified gun.

btw I like the Dlask trigger on your Para.

Do the IDPA targets shoot back at you?

I have 3.5-4 lbs. on all of my 1911 triggers. A clean break is more important to me than the weight.

I like the Dlask as well.

You may not want to start jumping into these with both feet with guys who have carried in harm's way since well before you were born.

TR

I agree, smooth, clean and crisp, would probably be the words I would also use. IMHO too light of a trigger (hair triggar) is dangerous and uncertain. I think as it has been mentioned many times in the past on this board it is Training, Training, and more training along with experience. The quality of the shooter is more imporant than the fire arm or how it is set up.

I guess that there are two types of people. Those that like 1911's and those that don't (I will call you the blasphemers!)

some call it an antique design, I call it classic.

A customized 1911 is a piece of working art. just check out some of the smiths work on WWW.LOUDERTHANWORDS.US especially chuck rogers, ct brian, and stan chen. expensive? VERY. Long wait? Richard Heinie has an 8 year waiting list. Worth it? in the eye of the shooter.

Can your off the shelf guns shoot 1 1/4 inches at 50yards in a rest? I don't know i've never seen that.

for what it's worth I also have 2 Sig p220's, 2 glocks, a walther, XD9, and my two pony's. Next purchase will be an Ed Brown Executive Elite 1911.:p

True, hope I wasn't being to forward. I have a lot of respect for what you guys do.

This past weekend I attended SouthNarc's IEK/ECQC (I will write up a review later this week when I have more time). But after this course I'm considering going back to my Glock.

Not because I like my Glock 21 over my Kimber but because of magazine capacity. It became abundantly clear to me how valuable a lot of bullets in your primary magazine is. It is very difficult to reload when you are tied up with two individuals who are trying to grab your gun.

...I would go with a double stack 1911 or a USP but we are only authorized standard 1911's and Glocks.

TS,

Thanks to your teachings during the Sims training of this class my rounds where true and hit their intended targets. I had to hit a few guys in the femoral and pelvic region. :D

SIG P226. :lifter

A G19 would be my second favorite. Alas, I own neither, and have only shot my buddies guns.

Colt 1911A1 .45acp.

They all fall to hardball.:o

Favorite .45's

Les Baer Custom II modified by Novak
Les Baer SRP
Kimber Warrior
Kimber Classic modified by Novak
Glock 21
HK USP 45



Favorite 9mm

SIG 226
SIG 226SR
SIG 226R
Glock 34
Glock 19
Glock 17
BHP when I want the slide to cut my hands
M9 when the students are using it

I try to spread the love between a wide array of handguns, it has made me a better and more versatile shooter.

Also if you can shoot the same gun the students do it eliminates the "better gun" factor from your instruction.

I take it that you know Wayne? He does some fine BHP work, IIRC. Probably take those rough edges off for you.

Wrenching on a Les Baer, isn't that a crime?

TR

I always shoot what the "Students" are shooting. IMO there are better guns, with the glock running dead last.

I have and still can take just about any handgun and place 5 rounds through the same hole at 21 feet, any handgun, except the glock. It might be the grip angle, what is that like 17 degrees, as compared to 11 degrees for 99.9 percent of the rest of the worlds handguns? Although I've never clocked it, I'm betting the slide on the glock is moving a few hundred feet faster than the rest of the weapons currently on the street. This would account for a less than accurate weapon off the shelf.
Its a worthless piece to me, and I've never had anything bad to say about most handguns until I fired a few glocks. But I guess if one has a police force to train you might want a pistol that is number one in "little training" and is the lowest cost, mass produced semi-auto on the market.

Before anyone gets their feelings hurt know this, I do not work for any gun dealer, none. These are my opinions based on decades of firing weapons and hundreds of thousands of rounds down range.....

TS

Well, some people just can't shoot a Glock - no shame in that TS. Come on down, I'll give ya a few pointers....:p

I'm with TS on this one - the Glock is the most (ubiquitous) disposable handgun made. If police administrators/politicians had been a little (make that a lot) less CHEAP and willing to get their guys quality guns and decent training back when most departments were transitioning from revolvers to pistols we wouldn't be forever cursed with the "block". I still remember the 1st generation magazines that wouldn't drop free (please wait a minute while I fumble my mag change so I can get this POS reloaded and get back in the fight) the plastic sights, and highly trained (well - sort of, please refer to previous comment about police administrators and expensive training) LEOs shooting themselves in the buttocks while holstering their weapons. If I'm stuck with a 9mm, make mine the BHP. My .02 - Peregrino

Change scares some people...:D