Seems to me the USMC comes out on top by using two seperate patterns. Why oh why is the USMC smarter than us?

x/S

Urban uniforms
 

I've gone to war wearing levi's, jungle boots and an MTV t-shirt, (it had a picture of Modonna, like a virgin on the back), picked it up in Cabo for $5.00

The rest of the team had similar threads, we fit in the scene quite well

Uniforms
 

Who likes the looks of the avatar to the left? War shirt worn by the 80% of the plains indians, circa 600BC until 1920's. It worked very well, took a variety of vegtable and plant dies. Quiet against tree branches, wore well over rock.

But the US uniform of the 7th cav, now that was great! Big brass bottons in the sun shine. O.k., o.k., they had better weapons, un-interrupted supply trains, more troops. But we faught a good fight.

Best is the way the AF does things................ :D

I like the guy in the back row on the left without his cool blue baseball cap on - must've thought he was still on the flight-line. :D

Richard

Hilarious! :D

Shaking my head, I'm very glad I'm not part of that goat rope of a service any more.

You cant make this shit up!!!! :D

I'm thinking there may just be way too many choices out there and its confusing the hell out of everybody - things were far simpler when all we had were OD Jungle Fatgues and aerosol cans of flat black spray paint. :D

And so it goes...:munchin

I think Richards correct..

Our mil contractors only gain from the confusion and continued debate. The only salvation,, Grunts eat uniforms, so they need to be repurchased on a regular basis.

Personally,, I think low bid, with ANY pattern available.. With mix-n-match.. Let the choice be at Div level.. Similar bidding contracts are use in other countries..

Set up minimum standards for: Seasonal, Thermal, Info Red infrared, Fire Retardant, then camo of choice..


My $00.0002

Tx Bob

That should help with fratricide, given that just eight years ago, all services wore the BDU or DCU, and now we have a dozen or more camo patterns, and are looking to make it worse.

You don't just have to buy uniforms. All of the TA50 gear, to include everything from Gore-Tex to ammo pouches will change as well. That is where the money is.

TR

I thought that was Pravda.;)

All I wear these days is western duds. I call it a Mickey Gilley suit.

Here is an example of Danish M/84 Camo Woodland



The first tests of the BDU is made in 1978 under the name T/78

http://leifnoerholm.files.wordpress....hjemmev-1.jpeg

I can not understand why you have so many camo uniforms in usa

this is probably the best woodland patten ever made.

Marine digital camouflauge
 

The Marine uniform was developed specifically for environments like these....

http://www.atari.com/us/images/games...onsolepc/1.jpg

You'll be surprised to know that there is a platoon of Marines hiding in the woodline above the crocodiles, perfectly camouflaged.

Small update-

-Multi-Cam is in country (Stan)
-It is being issued to specific units (outside of SOF) who are in remote locations
-The new pants and spiderman tops with the built in, exterior, knee and elbow are being issued to these units (outside of SOF) as well
-It's only for uniform items, no kit

-I have worn the new issue "Mountain Boot" by Danner for the past 4 months - absolutely LOVE THEM. Comfortable, rugged, not too awfully hot, mondo support for ankle and arch. It was a good choice.

Eagle

Someguys have it:

From the Log in page of AKO.

Sgt. Nicholas Irving, of 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, takes aim during the "Defensive Shoot" event at Wagner Range on Fort Benning, Ga., during the Ninth annual U.S. Army International Sniper Competition held Oct. 15-22. (Photo by U.S. Army)

Looks like the Brits beat us to it
 

British troops to get first new camouflage in 40 years

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ef=igoogle_cnn

I think I've seen that pattern somewhere before...:eek:

Ok whats the verdict. They keep asking me here at MARSOC what is the Army going to use, are they changing, going to MC?
Is the Army going to change over to MC. Or are they going to change over to their version of MC, that sucks.

new digital pattern?
 

Saw this link on another board and found the ACU camo pattern interesting. Looks like a woodland but very different that USMC woodland. Reminds me of German camo.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor...iref=allsearch

First time I have seen the UCP-Delta in the field. To be quite honest it looks pretty good. Would love to see more footage/pics of it being used but it is already 100% improvement over the initial UCP...

Natick, bringing soldiers substandard gear since their inception...

From what I understand, or at least have heard, is that the ruling won't be until next month.

I'll bet a case of beer they don't go to MC.

Here's the story and reasoning behind the UKs change in uniform pattern - the video explanation for it all actually makes a lot of sense and something it might be worthwhile for our R&D ffolkes to consider in the future.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8422942.stm

Richard's $.02 :munchin

I don't like the odds on that bet. Adopting ACU Delta will be a political face-saving move with our current abortion of a camo pattern painted as "almost right" and a "step in the right direction that just needed tweaking".

If the Army pics MC over ACU Delta, I'll be more than a little surprised.

Somehow I don't see the Brits needing to change their camo again in a couple of years down the road.

DPM
 

Lately I have been on another web site with mostly British active duty and retired who want two things to happen:

1) Keep the DPM

and...

2) Bring back the FN FAL (SLR/L1A1)

Just as a point of interest, Multi Terrain type camo is what is needed. If you make only a desert pattern and move very far at all you could move through arid and then semi arid to forested. What do you do, change uniforms as you move?

That is what the Big Army is looking at now to replace the crap called ACU. The digital stuff does not work. Multi Cam maybe the choice but this time it will be properly tested and vetted.

Letter to SecDef & CJCS
 

I thought this was interesting and didn't see it posted.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im.../16/letter.pdf

Above is a letter dated 10 Dec from Reps Skelton & Ortiz addressed to SecDef & CJCS querying soldiers' complaints related to:

Rucks
Training (cites soldiers going from BCT to warzone)
ACU (cites MC)
M4 (asks what SOF are using)

Your link is defective (has duplicated 'httphttp' and has the '://' misplaced. Looks like a paste typo.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im.../16/letter.pdf

Exactly how it should be...within reason, of course.

Camo defined
 

The problem is that people now tie camoflage to a uniform standard instead of a force protection measure. Sadly this includes some SOF units. So much for "smarter not harder."

MC or UCPDelta either are an improvement over what is issued currently. I have been slowly kitting myself with MC over the last 6 month's. I had MC in Afghanistan when I was there though not issued myself and many other Pathfinders were using it.

Multicam
 

I have used MC for a couple of years and it works extremely well in different terrains; grass, high/low desert, forest. If you don't move, near or far (no black outline in the distance), it blends perfectly. Saves in planning and terrain movement selection. Only wish they made it in quieter materials.

I think, not positive, that the military passed on it just before the first digi's came out, the reason being price. (probably because they already spent so much on the digital crap). They should of let the Quiet Professionals test it themselves, then we wouldn't be seeing squares all the time:D

My .02

So... I probably should not come to my team with my kit in this new pattern i found?

I think that counts as telling.

It depends - is your primary AO music conerts for teenage girls? You'd fit right in there... :D

Maybe I missed it in the reading where it this is answered, but are these uniforms supposed to completely replace the ACU or is it just for troops to use in Afghan?

SGT Fonzy

It is to replace the failed ACU pattern, that was a mistake made by a snap judgment. I will leave it at that. :munchin

snap judgement indeed