Yuck!

I guess the front kick is out, since it could get stuck in the fat folds and never come back.

I think TR has a great point. Temp blindness to create a moment in time and get off the line of attack. Once off the line of attack you can re-engage bye whatever means you see fit.

I would probably stomp the crap out of there closest leg and follow on with a muzzle strike to the head, breast bone, or any other hard target that presented itself.

Longtab, I fully agree with your point of view that you must train in combatives to be proficient. Combatives like shooting can be a perishable skill.

Okay so what else can we do to this woman (short of putting a few rounds in her snot locker) to get her on the ground Right Freaking Now?

What do you guys think of kicking the back of the knee or dropping an elbow to the back of their head?

When I think this thread has run its course I will share the story that promted me to post the scenario.

is she taller than the person in this scenario?
Since woman has lower center of gravity (triangle-like structure), her weight-to-height ratio relative to the persons may dictate how easy and hard she falls IMHO...or is it hard to tell/redundant in the heat of the situation

Put a pie on the ground in front of her.

I guess that the swift kick to the balls is out now.

Seriously, as you noted, once they are stunned by the light and you are off the line, if they keep moving, there are a number of techniques to cause the momentum to work against them, from leg sweeps, to knee strikes, to clotheslines, to a quick rap to the back of the head. If they stop, then you can engage with the force of your choice at your convenience, pause to reevaluate, or run away.

TR

Uh... are you a victim of domestic violence? :eek:

Instead of moving off to the side, what about running at her and crosschecking-like her in the head/above the breasts with your rifle?

I do apologise if that sounds stupid, I'm trying to think outside the box a bit.

Ouch man that hurt.

I don't know; could you stop a 280lb female who is coming at you my bullrushing her? I'm about 185lb and in full gear about 210lb. I would probably pass on this technique due to my size vs her size. But if you could pull it off why not. With longtab tipping the scales at about 260 in full gear I'm sure he could pull off the crosscheck or bullrush because there is only about 20lb weight difference, and that could be easily made up for with momentum or force.

I like the idea of a tactical pie holder incase you need to toss one as a distraction device but I'm not sure where to carry one. :D

I agree with the force re-direction or displacement.

Okay what do you guys think of these? (Good or a waist of time)
Knee kicks
Trips
Sweeps
Stomps to the side or back of leg
Muzzle strike to the side or back of the head
Muzzle strike to neck (anywhere)
Close line
Elbow to the face while stepping past the person (same principle as a close line but its an elbow strike instead)
Elbow the the side of the neck



Does anyone here have the cajones to go for a joint lock on her?

If this woman is wearing a full-skirted dress/hijab, would there be a concern that stomps/kicks to the knees/legs might catch your boot in the material, unbalancing you?

You gotta be bullshitting me.
 

I got the gun.

Poke the knucklehead in the eye, teeth, or throat with the muzzle of your carbine.

Non compliant? FAck you, I ain't a cop, and I'm jocked up doing my job.

YOUR space dominance -- I AM THE GREAT WHITE SHARK AND I AM DOING MY JOB RIGHT HERE AND NOW.

If you truly are kinder and gentler there are some other tools (if you want to risk the sumbitch getting close enough to rassle your Carbine or pistol from you, and your buddies can't shoot him):

Pepper spray.
Stun gun.
Baton to a brachial nerve area.

But that's bullshit cop stuff.

As one of my Team Sergeants told a youngster with an M9, "Make sure that thing's well-oiled."

"Why?"

"So when the bad guy snatches it from you and jams it up your ass the front sight won't tear anything when we pull it out."

From a Military or PSD point of view:

First off, the individual SHOULD NOT be allowed to get that close. You control the situation not him/her.

Given the scenario and intel, palm heel strike to the chest or muzzle strike to create space and shoot until the threat is down. Hostile threat, Hostile intent. For someone to close distance with you like that there is no other option. But that is just me.

As for LEOs, I have no exprience in that field.

I like both of the above approaches, or perhaps a combination thereof if necessary.

well interesting scenario and a lot of well thought out supplies. My thinking might be a little different, maybe my background (non-LEO) has something to do with it.

1. 2000 on the streets in a foreign hostile country with maybe a curfew in place or at the very least not the time anyone is out shopping.

2. Woman doesn't heed directions (language) - makes agressive threatening moves etc.

3. Plenty of suicide bombers and people who just want to be doing the "will of God" by killing you.

4. Local people know the ROE


if the above is also true then I'm sorry I am not going to get close enough to be a part of the blast radius..


My experience: Once - we captured a prisoner. He was shot in our ambush and crawled off into the brush. I spotted him on our way to the LZ and the tail gunner called out in his language for him to put up his hands. He raised one hand, the tail gunner shot him. Why - he didn't put up two hands. We had a lot of those "willing to die - if they could kill us" type guys too in those days.

Of course in saying that in today's world - yeah you are going to have to explain a lot. But hey I just tell them I'm suffering from PTSD and she looked like a VC to me...:boohoo

At 280lbs, I think you'd be better off saying she looked like she ate a VC (or two).