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MtnGoat, I think you meant G27. I've met CIF members who carried G26 downrange though.

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Originally Posted by frostfire (Post 578363)

they have the best/most generous marketing strategy, and therefore deserve the dominant international and national market share

While I see the release of G43 is uber-hyped, this is a well-made, pro-CCW, pro-armed Americans commercial....too bad it'll never be on tv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMtvjwnF9q4
http://singlestack9.com/

Need to check availability of extended grip with +2 rounds, aftermarket sights, and LEO/mil price on this...
I'm already comfortable with G26 even past 25m, sacrificing capacity for 4mm thinner might not be worth it

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Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 578461)

Umm no. Lots of people in the 1911 world think like this but the "real" 1911 is easily worked on, disassembled etc. For the snobs that want to have race gun yes but for the basic combat ready 1911 they are easy to wok on and do NOT need a lot of hand fitting etc. Everything is easy to replace and drop in. The combat 1911 was designed to work anyplace and worked well. Much like the AK 47 it was made to be a bit loose so it would reliably function in dirt etc.

I have had four 1911's since 1989 and done a lot of work on them and I am by FAR not a gunsmith. The only 1911 that ever jammed on my was my Kimber Pro Carry I had years ago. I sent it back to them and they fixed the issue. One of the 1911's I had was a Chinese Norinco and I almost guarantee it was not hand fitted. It never jammed and was accurate.

For what it's worth, I find my clark custom 1911 racegun just as easy to work on as my Pawnshop Special 1911 I picked up for a song years back. I may be lucky in that neither have ever jammed and they "Just Work."

That being said, I don't have much in the way of rounds fired on either of them ever since I started saving for a house; from memory the clark might possibly be at 1k rounds now.

And for my daily carry, I do like something simpler.

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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick (Post 578469)

I've been reading this thread off and on from the beginning and the thing that strikes me is this:

Since the 1911, every handgun has been compared against it. It has many myths surrounding it and some of them are even true; probably a reason it has endured so many years and so many makers and copies. It launches a huge ass chunk of lead accurately (enough) down range with minimal effort and repeatable consistency from the shooter.

One thing it is not. SAFE! It is by its design a weapon designed to kill and to be used by those whom would undergo at least a minimum amount of training and semi-annual training in its use.

Over the years it has had small redesigns to make it "safer" and each one has made it less reliable. For those who have made the gun ever-so-more accurate, they too have made it less reliable.

Problem is with a handgun that is deemed "unsafe" and inherently easy to shoot is the likelihood of "accidental" discharge when it works as it was designed. Enter a hundred other designers to improve upon the concept of making "guns" safe enough for the idiots that carry them. Chamber indicators, DAO, DA/SA, Decocking levers, Decocking/Safety levers, etc...

Police don't and haven't spent the time, money and resources to properly train and provide refresher training. Citizens seldom seek or rehearse the skills needed to properly maintain the skills needed to operate such a "deadly" weapon. And lastly, even those in the military have limited budgets and resources to adequately train and maintain the skills necessary to operate "non-primary" systems as seen in the eyes of leadership.

The "revolver" was for the longest time considered a "safe" alternative to semi-automatics. Its inherent and simple safety-less design meant even idiots could safely carry one around without the risk of shooting themselves or someone else in the excitement of the situation.

Enter the Glock. The simplicity and difficulty of a hammer-less revolver in the form of a magazine fed semi-automatic pistol. 75-plus years of manufacturing and computer assisted design finally produced a rival to the tried and true perfection of the original John Browning design created with a lead pencil and a blank sheet of paper.

I can see why the military, police, and just about everyone (including my wife and self) have a Glock for "self-defense" and duty carry.

I miss shooting my 1911's and never had a problem with a dozen or so over the years. They all worked "as designed."

Great post.

I loved owning a 1911. I found it like owning an American Muscle Car. You just kinda HAVE to own one, at least for a bit.

I've never carried a 1911 openly or discretely, but owned and shot one a bit. Lots of fun and I can see the affinity.

I've carried both SIG P226 and Glock overseas on tours. While I really like the SIG, I didn't like it rusting while I looked at it(very heavy pistol wear, no bluing, littoral tropical environment).

While I got pretty good with the SIG on PDT(great instruction), I got far better with the Glock(even better instruction, and with far more time/rounds/aggressive and operationally relevant training drills).

Maybe my personal affinity for Glock being a perfectly simple/servicable tool is that I was trained the most on it and performed the best on it compared to other tools.

Maybe it's like driving a VW GTI(Glock) approaching a track lap record after tuition from "Michael Schumacher" as an adult is what's driving my personal thinking when I compare it against driving a 1968 Yenko 427 Camaro(1911) at the Freaky Friday drag races with only my fellow teenaged friend "Ralph" to keep me from killing myself who also doesn't know what the hell he's doing.

If I had to choose what to carry, I'd choose Glock because it's what I've personally had the most tuition on and shot best with.

I'd agree there's better, and probably FAR better by the sounds of things amongst SMEs here. But for what I do and have done, it suits my needs pretty well.

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Originally Posted by Guymullins (Post 578373)

Jaap jumped to his feet and drew his Glock to either chase the Warthog off or get some pork for breakfast.
In his haste, Jaap shot himself in the ass. Luckily, it was a shallow flesh wound as he was alone and hundreds of kilos from a hospital.
As soon as the Meercats saw and smelt blood, they attacked Jaap, biting him all over the body, but particularly on his legs, which were exposed in his short pants. To keep the Meercats away, Jaap fired off the rest of the magazine in the general direction of his attackers, shooting the veranda full of 9mm holes in the process.
Eventually, Jaap managed to barricade himself in the kitchen, where he could tend to his wounds, the Meercat bites the worst of them.
Jaap recovered completely from the Glock-ass and the Meercat bites, but today warns against both, calling them Fair-Weather Friends.

With my sense of humor I'm left thinking about a new pistol training activity called "The Meerkat Drill".

You shoot a dozen bowling pins 5-10m away while being shot from behind in the legs with a low velocity pellet rifle.

Blahhh 1911's :rolleyes:
Old design with lots of problems that unless you have a very well maintained and a gunsmith in your pocket down range you will have problems. Worked with Marsoc down range bunch of them had 1911's the Marine armorers had to go through a TON of parts and basically hand build pistols out of the old 1911's they had. Besides when all the women come we wont be allowed to use 45 cal anyway :munchin

We currently have G19, G26 and M9s in Group and even heard of a couple G30s running around.

Not an 18 series guy here thats for sure.

But....

Ive got about 900 hours on the range. And 22 months in combat as 11B, and 35P living with ODAs in the field. Ive carried the most unpopular M9 which served me just fine as much as I disliked it. But Ive trained with it a lot. Ive carried a USP for 8 years as my EDC (and liked it).

And against all of that I love the Glock.

The SOTIC sniper that I was with in Afghanistan (probably the BEST soldier I have ever known), and whove Ive personally seen dispatch Talibs, Chechens, and other determined combatants, thinks the Glock-17 is the best combat handgun in the world.

Good enough for me.

I dont need a safety. My finger is my safety (no pun intended), And I can get my finger into the trigger well as I present the gun. Just as I was taught by the marksmanship team that instructed my Infantry unit before going to Iraq in 2005. And just as the 18 series instructors demanded at SFBCC as we prepared for Afghanistan in 2010.

Now, I carry a Glock-19 as my EDC. And love it. Chevy or not. BTW Chevy makes some pretty good cars ie Camaro and Corvette that happen to beat some of those more expensive Ferrari's etc-
v/r

I'm on my fourth Glock and I have never had an issue with any of them. They have never failed me. Prior to going to Glocks, I had Sig's, Berettas, and S&Ws. Of those, I liked my Sig the best, but with that said, I am going to stay with my Glocks for the time being.

There are a lot of fine handguns out there, but for now, I have no reason to change from Glock.