9mm

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Miami classic shoulder rig

This thread has all the makings of one very "gay" thread.:rolleyes:

Gentlemen, take a moment to remember where you are and whose watching, "before" you post.

TS

As I have had, for the last 30 years, a pair of Browning P35s fully customized, I'll keep those...I carried one, sometimes both, with me daily as backup to my sniper rifle, along with an UZI through Egypt, Golan and Lebanon.

If I had to carry a 9mm, I would I hope I was a also flying a A10 Warthog. I would let the A10 do my talking.

GLock 17, 124gr. Speer Gold Dots. Also, if you get your magazines from CDNN, they give a a free +2 floor plate (their own manufacture) that will actually reliably hold and feed 20 rounds.
After that any Sig in 9mm is ok by me.

Le Mas
 

APLP, it sure does look like the Le Mas ammo is effective in rapidly rendering healthy liver into paté. But just for my own enlightenment, was that PLATE or just mild steel, and what was the thickness/gauge?

Phantom,
The plate shown in this thread was 5mm heat treated aluminum that was rated as 3A hard armor and used for hardening transport vehicles until about three years ago. The velocity requirements to penetrate most 3A soft armors for the Le Mas Ltd. rounds are similar to the requirements to penetrate the same hard 3A plate shown. Generally speaking that 3A aluminum armor is about equal to 11 gauge stainless. 2100 fps will start to penetrate 3/16 stainless, and 2300 fps will start to penetrate 1/4 stainless. The Le Mas short range armor piercing 9mm CQB bullets will start to penetrate 3/16 AR-500 steel around 2750 fps.

Stan

Glock 19 loaded with Cor Bon DPX when I carry a 9MM

Cool ammo.

As far as what to carry if you 'must' carry a 9mm...

Back when I was young and dumb, I used to carry an old 9mm LLAMA GOV'T Model , if it ever got a chance to sample some of that ammo, it might get dragged out of storage. I used to carry it SOB "off-hand" mirroring my older surplus COLT M1911A1. The LLAMA was a REALLY nice copy but almost no parts commonality, but many parts were aggravatingly close.

It was a really good pistol, and almost always hit the target with slightly tighter groups than my Colt, but I never would have considered it a Primary Weapon.

If I absolutely, positively HAD to carry a 9mm and a 9mm only.. then that damned issue Baretta M9 if the senario was mil.. HK USP, or my old LLAMA if not.

Of course, if the Llama went into service as I primary then I would want a Kimber 1911 .22 for my offside to halfway balance out my old rig. Even better, but requiring a change of the old rig, would be a MK II of the "Spartan II" or "Stealth-B" variety.

I'm laughing, but this assessment seems so harsh. The only option I have is a 9mm because my hands are too small to properly negotiate a 45.

I like NDDs response.

And I'm fairly certain that if I could spend even 4 hours on a range with Team Sergeant and my 9mm, I would be more of a force to be reckoned with than 70% of the popluation that has a 45.

And velocity is not a bad thing, especially if you have hollow points? One very wise man from this forum told me once "A 38 can do a nice bit of damage to the cranial structure if you know where to place it." :)

m1
p.s. Sig Sauer 225

M1:

If the grip size is the problem, try one of the .45 GAP pistols.

TR

Michelle, TR gave great advice. Just about any size pistol in a 9mm can also be found in other more potentant calibers.

Ever notice you don't hear much talk about 38 special. Look at the ballastics of 9mm and 38 Spec. For all pratical purpose they are the same. There are some inbetween calibers, such as 40 S&W that may work better. Also with the availability of conpensated barrels, the recoil of 45 can be greatly reduced, if it is objectional to you.

Or you can follow the rules of any gun nut, Buy one of each caliber and design. More guns are prefered to less guns.

M1
If you get a chance at SHOT show, go by Springfield's booth. Their new XD in .45acp has nearly the same size grip as the standard frame models do and it holds something like 13 rounds of .45. If you feel the need to go to a .45, this may be a viable option for you.

Personally, I still like my 9mm pistols, They are the only ones I can afford to shoot as much as I feel I need to.

YMMV
HTH

Good times,
blake

It has to be a 9MM?

CZ-75.

Nice and simple.

Combat short gun.

Doc

I HAVE to carry a 9mm. A Sig 226 and a Glock 26

M'eh, they are free ;-)

Sorry to hear it.....:cool:

I sold the only one I have years ago........... many years ago......

Now I only carry the "man-round".....:lifter

(I crack myself up sometimes.....)

You have to take a 9mm, but you have a choice?
 

Shoot the dog shit out of every 9mm you can put your hands on, then take the one that fits you the best and doesn't shit the bed when you practice.

Brand loyalties mean nothing if it doesn't work.

"Rangers, DON'T get sentimental about your equipment!"

I agree..... I've watched to many handguns fail on the range.

There's no doubt in my mind why all these weapons instructors are inventing new misfire procedures, too many worthless handguns are being issued to our law enforcement officers.

The inherent design flaws (and fluff masters) are causing our nations LEO's to carry very poorly designed weapons to defend themselves with and some have no choice but to use the issue piece.

A 9mm will work fine and long as the weapon that shoots it works, everytime.....

Whatever they issue.
 

My experience TDY'ing to different embassies is you get issued whatever they have at that particular mission. I've had the range of Browning Highpowers, Glocks, SIGs, and a long time ago, more often than not, Smith and Wesson Model 10s, Model 15s, and Ruger Security Sixes.

Long guns were Remington 870s, Uzis (if you were lucky) and Ruger Mini-14s (if you weren't).

If beggars can't be choosers, your training with different guns should have breadth and depth or you're hosed.

Thank you Sir Reaper, HOLLiS and Air.177

I have more homework to do at SHOT now. Fortunately, I should have some pretty stellar help along the way!

m1

I agree with what you have said for the most part. It would seem that a lot of LE agencies have gone to the .40 caliber from 9 MM. The Glock Model 22 is very high on the choice of platforms to launch the .40 followed by the SIG.

IMHO: The .40 Caliber is becoming the standard round for LE agencies.

As you have stated the 9MM will work; however, I think that bullet selection is the a key to to all effectivness, as well as bullet placement in all calibers. :munchin

I wonder how many casualties the 9MM round caused in WWII?

:munchin

I would suspect that the vast majority were from SMGs, which should add velocity, accuracy, and the probability of multiple hits to the equation.

TR

Agree TR. I was trying to expand somewhat on the capability of the round.

I think shooting and real estate have three things in common; location, location, location.

Doc

Concur.

With conventional ammunition, after shot placement comes penetration and caliber.

All other things being equal, given the choice between making a 9x19mm (.355 caliber) hole and making a .45 (.451 caliber) hole, I'll choose to make the larger hole.

TR

I was thinking the same thing as I wrote my last post in this thread....

I'm betting there were a fair number, but also a very large number of 9mm used to get the job done.

The people I usually pick on are the 6' 200lb plus gents with big hands and still opt for a 9mm when they should be throwing "man-hole covers" (.45) instead.

HEY!!!!!

The ammo is free....:)

I can assure you that there were several NVA, that were reduced to fertilizer, by a particular Browning Hi-Power!!!:munchin

Later
Martin

Simple math
 

A whole lot tougher making a 9mm go to .45 inches than for a 45 to squeeze down to 9mm.

Glock
 

GLOCK GLOCK GLOCK and GLOCK:cool:

Patrick,

I would suggest you read the board rules before you post again.

If you're attempting to goad me into a retort you have failed. Most that know me know what I think of glocks.

Again, read the rules or go elsewhere, you will not be told again.

Team Sergeant

If it has to be 9mm, Sig P226. I would personally prefer a Kimber .45 :lifter

HiPower MKIII,
Beretta 92,
then a Sig in that order. A lot of guys shoot the Sigs well but I do better with a beretta, I just hate the safety/decock on the slide being backwards.

My issued pistol is a FN Browning Hi-Power. Only ´customizing´I´ve done was to install Pachmayr grips.Very reliable weapon. I wouldn´t exchange it for an other model.