Has any played with mounting a light at the 6 o'clock position with something like the YMT triple mount and activating the tailcap by sliding the hand up the handguard against it? I've not tried this, and would be concerned about accidentally turning on the light, but have wondered about this method as an inexpensive way of putting a light on an AR in what would seem to be a position.

Without a vertical grip? you're better off at the 5 or 7 depending on lefty righty so you can engage it with your thumb then. Just what I have seen and tried to do.

I have a Surefire Scout light. I just switched out the tape switch to the push button because I experienced 2 white light AD's while looking for 2 bad dudes the other night.

You could mount something like a Streamlight TLR-2. They are lightweight and the tape switches will be available next month. How much light do you need?

GRIPPOD
 

What about a veritcal grip that serves as a quick release BI-POD ? I do not own one, dont need it, but reports thus far from the ground pounders that are using them are "Love Affair" for them. This would solve some of the problems discussed in this thread regarding going to the "Prone" position, and using your mag as a semi-pseudo mono pod.

it's here > www.grippod.com

jatx,

I've got an older SureFire Millenium light, IIRC (M-4 type handguard w/ 3 [123] battery light mounted at about two o'clock, pressure pad on the handguard, dial switch for constant/ intermittent/ off behind the light), it's very bright, totally reliable, on the heavy side and was quite pricey. I was thinking about the things I didn't like; the weight, the light at 2 o'clock vs. 6 o'clock, and the price, and wondering about a cheap way of accomplishing the same functionality.

I've also been reading posts by different folks about the best way to grip the forend/ handguard on various boards... So it boils down to idle ruminations and wondering if anyone had tried using the YMT rail, scope rings and a light at six o'clock and how that had worked.

Cincinnatus - Try rotating your M500 to the bottom handguard position. Then replace the SureFire handguard half with a standard (skinny, single heat shield) carbine handguard for the top position. It'll put the light at 8 o'clock, eliminate the shadow below your line of sight, clear your FOV for traversing right, and still leave the controls accessible to your left thumb. The only issue is sling position. Work-arounds aren't that difficult. FWIW - Peregrino

Thanks. I'll give that a try.

It took a while but now I do know that Mr. Arbuckle is NOT a Special Forces soldier and has never been to the Special Forces Qualification Course.:rolleyes:

I would guess thats also why he's never returned.;)

TS

There is, as you Guys are well Aware a built in Fore Grip on the Styer that we in the Irish Defence Force's use..I've never liked it or used it and prefere to use the trigger guard to hold as stability, and find my accuracy is better than holding the grip standing,kneeling or prone..

I've never fired the M4 series of weapons so I won't comment on how the grip performs.

In saying that, the dynamics change when you have a 203 slung under your rifle.

New Magpul foregrip
 

Anyone tried out this angled foregrip from Magpul.

http://store.magpul.com/product/64/100

I have the Magpul AFG on my AR and I love it. Very ergonomic design, very comfortable with easy good positive control over the weapon. Great addition to my setup.

We teach the Students here not to put a full Grip on the FVG. It makes the shooter pull the Weapon to the side.
I just ordered two AFG'S. one for my work Weapon and one for my new M4 i'm picking up Saturday. Ill let you know what I think. But from the on line reviews so far. They are the Tits.

To those using the AFG: how much of an advantage, and of what nature, do you find it offers over a competition type or C-clamp grip, which instructors such as Kyle Lamb advocate?

Thanks.

I have been using the new Troy grip in stubby mode and really like it. It is very solid and well-made. Something to consider...

Magpul AFG
 

Picked up a magpul Angled fore grip and I love it.

Felt like it put my support arm at a more comfortable position allowing for a tighter hold and quicker follow up shots. Not much difference for me as far as the first shot went.

Good piece of equipment.

I have been using the Troy foregrip with the ADM QD mount and I like them. I use the both the stubby and standard size. I mount mine all the way forward and I have noticed that I can acquire a target faster.

I recently put a Troy modular aluminum grip on my wifes carbine and it works good also. It will let you switch from standard size to stubby in just a few seconds. Someone had them on eBay for 54.00.

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Was at SFBCC a few weeks ago and the instructors there are not using the verticle grips. Most of them did have the AFG at the very end of the rifle and some had it mounted on the side.

I took my Larue vertigle grip off for most of this course so I could emulate them but did end up throwing it back on for the couple of days running simms through the shoot house.

So much to learn and use....

VFG/AFG...
 

When I first got to the desert the quick and dirty CQB class from the MPRI guys never mentioned a proper grip to use while a VFG was mounted. Most guys went "full retard" just because it seemed that that's what it was for.

Now days, I've found that the most effective way for me to use a VFG is to just use it as an index point to emulate the magwell grip from. This works well on my shorter AR without a ton of weight up front. If I had more weight riding forward on the weapon I'd push the grip out a little further to keep me from fighting the inertia during quick left/right target transitions.

The magpul AFG has me interested, but I really need to get my hands on one before I drop the $30 on it, as I'm too broke to be spending money on anything but ammo for practice. I've found that most magpul products end up doing everything I want and more, so I'm not that concerned, but again, $30 is a bit of coin to someone who is out of work.

I'd like to hear any more feedback from guys using the AFG.

One of the guys on my team bought an AFG for our OEF-A PMT and a month later when we deployed 75% of the team were running them. Personally, I love mine. It gives you a solid grip but still allows you to get that non-firing hand thumb as far over the bore as possible, which dramatically reduces time needed to re-aquire for follow up shots, as well as tightens up your group. Just keep in mind that you have to train with it regularly... and the importance of learning better shooting techniques far outweigh the importance of what kind of accessories you're running. If you ever have a chance to go to the magpul shooting school that they run all over the country, jump on it, or at least give the DVDs a try. They do a pretty good job of teaching competition shooting techniques with combat marksmanship and tactical awareness in mind. Just my 2 cents.

Well, after reading these reviews I'm going to give my magpul some real work.
Maybe it's just something I'm going to have to get used to.

Not to derail to much, I do like the Magpul DVD series but those videos present techniques..... not teach them.
I use them as reference guides.

I have run multiple style VFG's and have tried the new AFG.
I like it.
What I would like is an AFG with a high output weapon light on the front and tape switches on the sides. Maybe two small LED's also.
Consolidate it all in one package.
The next evolution of the M900 series.

For now I roll with an AFG and a Surefire G2 LED on the left side of the barrel, in line with the rail, as far forward as possible.
I shift my hand slightly forward and am able to hit the button without to much inconsistency in my non firing hand position.

Grip pods, I hate them.
A Harris bipod with a stubby VFG are insanely better.
Not as awkward and much more reliable.

That's my issue. I had a surefire in front of my VFG. I could just tap it with my knuckle and then had no issue. Even if I put it on the left side I could reach up and touch it while it gripping the VFG.

With the AFG my hands grip around the left side of the barrel, so I don't have any place other than the right side to put the light. I see some people running it on top, but I don't have a riser for my EOTech and also have a front sight post/gasblock.

Yeah I run a 10.3" shorty so there is nothing on top but railspace. With a 16" standard M4 you have less rail length & a front sight post which limits your options.