Other than t-shirt and poster sales in college bookstores and head shops, what martyr effect did his death have?

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Down here, not up there. Oh, he has had a major effect on recruiting, etc. I think not so much now, but up until they started getting involved heavily in the drugs. His memory practically built the ELN. Until Che went down, they weren't really doing much.

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The last thing we need is OBL in jail where all the idiots can take hostages the world over demanding his relesase. If he is taken alive figure a massive upswing in attacks and hostage taking for the leverage.

I believe that the man needs to die in the field and he needs to have his body displayed for two weeks and then publically buried with pig entrails after his body was wrapped in a pig blood soaked shroud.

Just my two cents.

Don't they not have leap year?

Additionally, Che, due to his martydom, was the inspiration for subcomandante Marcos, leader of the Chiapas insurgency by the EZLN.

You don't think the leadership is sophisticated enough to plan the attack on the date? And they aren't sophisticated enough to know to make it significant to the intended audience?

IMO, the thing about terrorism is its intended to illicit a psychological response - an emotion. Therefore, dates and such become much more important, as they add impact, making the emotion stronger. I don't think they would do it because the number of days is significant to them, but rather to the audience.

And I don't think its supernatural capabilitites - just good management and advertising. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to say "Well, everybody's ranting about 9/11, so in 911 days, lets do something else."

If it was a coincidence, it was a good one for them.

I'm not sharpshooting you.

It seems to me that London will be the next target of AQ's terror. Do you guys agree?

Solid

Being 911 days after 6/23 doesn't mean much, does it?

And as far as I know, Americans are the only ones with the habit of putting the month first when using dates converted to a numerical system. Most of the rest of the world uses the more sensible system of going from the smallest time span to the largest, so 11 September, 2001 would be 11/9/01.

While I agree with what you are saying, I think that contemporary terrorism is less dependent on dates. The act itself becomes the date. Before media was as focused as it is on terrorist violence, they had to combine actions with a date. So reporters would say, "on this 3rd anniversary of the defeat of People's Front's campaign to topple the government, 15 people died as ..." Now, with mass-casualty terrorism, the event becomes the reason to remember the date. " Today is the 6 month, 1 year, 2 year, 5 year anniversary of Sept.. 11th, the Madrid Bombings, Omagh bombings, the Ashura massacre." I think if they could, terrorists would attack every day. Fill up the calendar with reminders of their ability to strike anywhere anytime.

I can really tell you that they don't think about date crap. Really.

Yeah, but since you can't say how or prove it...


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Nuts.

Unfortunately everyone needs an idol or someone to look up to. It doesn’t matter if its OBL, Che, Mao, everyone has a cause and they all need someone to rally behind. If it wasn’t OBL it would be Jackin Some Camel, or Abdula whatever the hell. He is just a person, granted a lot of terrorists look up to him and his cause, just like a lot of people looked up to Che, Mao, but weather OBL becomes a martyr or not remains to be seen. No one will know until he is dead


Hey that could be the next poll

Will OBL be a Martyr or a forgot pain in the ass?

Pretty much what I expected with my first post, that it being just a coincedence. But none-the-less...I was just thinking outside the box. Seeing that OBL is/was an engineer and delt with numbers. What a way to get into an opponents head though.

I agree with what everyone has said about how this goat sniffing yahoo should departe this world.

I do hope that the boys in A-stan are soaking their 5.56's in Pig blood and their 7.62's in bacon drippings....."Hell sern't...it makes the rounds come out the rifle faster."

I have recently taken a liking to the retribution techniques used by the British to avenge the massacre at Cawnpore in 1857. Tie the condemned in front of a muzzle of a field piece, with their torso in the line of fire, then touch the cannon off. You can stuff their mouths with pork to add insult to injury, if you prefer.