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NousDefionsDoc 02-17-2004 17:31

Believe it or not, a lot of this sounds like my time with LTC DD.

Good plan Reaper. I'm not technical enough to know about the bullet weights and that, but as for the motivational factors, good stuff.

BMT (RIP) 02-17-2004 18:12

Honey Bring the Checkbook
 
Damn TR you would bring smoke! I like your idea though.

BMT

The Reaper 02-17-2004 18:59

Re: Honey Bring the Checkbook
 
Quote:

Originally posted by BMT
Damn TR you would bring smoke! I like your idea though.

BMT

BMT:

As you know, we are not playing tiddlywinks with a Girl Scout Troop out there, this is serious business, and it is time we quit taking COO lessons and got serious about it.

NDD:

You and Doc can be my CSMs anytime. Team Sergeant has to be the SMA though.

TR

Ambush Master 02-17-2004 21:09

I've got dibbs on the Fast Shooters, Fast Movers, The Big Boomers (Tubes), Tac Air, and Cobras Loaded with Nails !!!

This would be fun !!!! :D

Take Care !!

brownapple 02-17-2004 21:50

Quote:

Originally posted by The Reaper
You asked for it. Want to be serious about shooting skills with me as the CSA?

Anybody not doing dedicated CQB, in an armored vehicle, or jumping MFF regularly gets an 18" or 20" barrel.

Would prefer 16" for the shorter guns, but understand there may be exceptions.

Big Army goes to the 77gr. cannelured 5.56 bullet.

Anyone expecting to engage only at CQB range gets an M68 (Aimpoint Comp M2). Anyone engaging precision targets out to moderate range gets an ACOG TA31. Dedicated marksmen out to 600 meters or so get an SPR with a TS30A2 optic. Anyone shooting further than that gets a 7.62 gas rifle. Dedicated snipers retain the M-24.

The M-4 gets a closed gas system upper. Mags are expendable and will be replaced by steel mags, which will be crushed after the first mag related malfunction. Units deploying get all new mags, and range time to test fire them before deploying.

All marksmanship instructors will be proficient in the use of firearms, or they will not be training my soldiers. Master gunners and master trainers will get increased opportunities for advanced schooling and promotion.

All soldiers will qualify with their issue weapons on KD and unknown distance ranges, under all conditions, on combat simulators, and will engage in a force on force with Simunitions as a graduation exercise. Fail, die, and you get recycled till you pass, or are completely covered with one giant blood bruise.

Specialty weapons (M-249, M-203, M-240, M-2, etc.) users get two weeks of additional training and qualification on their assigned weapons. Graduate and collect extra incentive pay for being a steely eyed killer. Fail and retrain, retest. Fail again and back to the pool.

Soldiers showing exceptional skills in Basic Marksmanship will be given incentives for advanced schooling and training, promoted one grade, and offered assignment choices.

Divisional MTUs are reinstated. Competitions are held. Winners get prizes, money, promotion points, free leaves. Good MTUs get rewarded. Bad ones get retrained, retested, and back to the pool if still deficient. The AMU is responsible for training and evaluation, and reports directly to the CSA.

Soldiers must reverify shooting skills upon PCS reporting. No pencil whipping. Fail, be retrained, retested. Fail again, and return to a training pool for additional instruction.

MTU conducts testing, not your buddy. Infantrymen qualify every two months. Other Combat Arms every three months. CS/CSS, every four months.

New ranges will be built. Battalion and below have indoor ranges and sub-cal devices. Ammo and weapons are available for practice to soldiers to practice with on the range anytime with adult supervision. Lunch on the range anyone? Weapons effects simulators are in every battalion as well. Competitions are held and the winners get slots to advanced schools and training.

Ammunition is procured as required, and small arms ammo (.22LR, 9mm, 5.56, and 7.62) issued upon demand, not by allocation. Usage is monitored. Commanders get reports two levels below, and one above. Fail to shoot, but had time for DONSAs and Training Holidays? One warning. Then you are relieved.

Soldiers get paid for qualifying Expert, and are required to shoot for points as part of their promotion. Can't qualify, can't get promoted.

Get caught with an unmaintained/unserviceable weapon and get UCMJed. I don't care what your hair looks like. Can you use that smokewagon?

No more BS medals for "being there". You want a medal, kill bad guys or save your buddies.

Sorry, just my .02, YMMV.

TR

Heck of a good .02. The CSA seen this? He should.

Smokin Joe 02-17-2004 22:50

Quote:

Originally posted by The Reaper
You asked for it. Want to be serious about shooting skills with me as the CSA?

Anybody not doing dedicated CQB, in an armored vehicle, or jumping MFF regularly gets an 18" or 20" barrel.

Would prefer 16" for the shorter guns, but understand there may be exceptions.

Big Army goes to the 77gr. cannelured 5.56 bullet.

Anyone expecting to engage only at CQB range gets an M68 (Aimpoint Comp M2). Anyone engaging precision targets out to moderate range gets an ACOG TA31. Dedicated marksmen out to 600 meters or so get an SPR with a TS30A2 optic. Anyone shooting further than that gets a 7.62 gas rifle. Dedicated snipers retain the M-24.

The M-4 gets a closed gas system upper. Mags are expendable and will be replaced by steel mags, which will be crushed after the first mag related malfunction. Units deploying get all new mags, and range time to test fire them before deploying.

All marksmanship instructors will be proficient in the use of firearms, or they will not be training my soldiers. Master gunners and master trainers will get increased opportunities for advanced schooling and promotion.

All soldiers will qualify with their issue weapons on KD and unknown distance ranges, under all conditions, on combat simulators, and will engage in a force on force with Simunitions as a graduation exercise. Fail, die, and you get recycled till you pass, or are completely covered with one giant blood bruise.

Specialty weapons (M-249, M-203, M-240, M-2, etc.) users get two weeks of additional training and qualification on their assigned weapons. Graduate and collect extra incentive pay for being a steely eyed killer. Fail and retrain, retest. Fail again and back to the pool.

Soldiers showing exceptional skills in Basic Marksmanship will be given incentives for advanced schooling and training, promoted one grade, and offered assignment choices.

Divisional MTUs are reinstated. Competitions are held. Winners get prizes, money, promotion points, free leaves. Good MTUs get rewarded. Bad ones get retrained, retested, and back to the pool if still deficient. The AMU is responsible for training and evaluation, and reports directly to the CSA.

Soldiers must reverify shooting skills upon PCS reporting. No pencil whipping. Fail, be retrained, retested. Fail again, and return to a training pool for additional instruction.

MTU conducts testing, not your buddy. Infantrymen qualify every two months. Other Combat Arms every three months. CS/CSS, every four months.

New ranges will be built. Battalion and below have indoor ranges and sub-cal devices. Ammo and weapons are available for practice to soldiers to practice with on the range anytime with adult supervision. Lunch on the range anyone? Weapons effects simulators are in every battalion as well. Competitions are held and the winners get slots to advanced schools and training.

Ammunition is procured as required, and small arms ammo (.22LR, 9mm, 5.56, and 7.62) issued upon demand, not by allocation. Usage is monitored. Commanders get reports two levels below, and one above. Fail to shoot, but had time for DONSAs and Training Holidays? One warning. Then you are relieved.

Soldiers get paid for qualifying Expert, and are required to shoot for points as part of their promotion. Can't qualify, can't get promoted.

Get caught with an unmaintained/unserviceable weapon and get UCMJed. I don't care what your hair looks like. Can you use that smokewagon?

No more BS medals for "being there". You want a medal, kill bad guys or save your buddies.

Sorry, just my .02, YMMV.

TR

Damn....I was just talking about fixing the M-16/M-4. :)

I can't speak from experience but after reading everyone's reply's it sounds like you have the road map on how to fix the Army.

Thank you Sir!

Ghostrider 02-17-2004 23:26

Reaper sir,

That was worth much more than .02. Responsibility, accountability, and standards....just the way it's supposed to be.

TF Kilo 02-18-2004 00:01

Quote:

Originally posted by The Reaper
You asked for it. Want to be serious about shooting skills with me as the CSA?

Anybody not doing dedicated CQB, in an armored vehicle, or jumping MFF regularly gets an 18" or 20" barrel.

Would prefer 16" for the shorter guns, but understand there may be exceptions.

Big Army goes to the 77gr. cannelured 5.56 bullet.

Anyone expecting to engage only at CQB range gets an M68 (Aimpoint Comp M2). Anyone engaging precision targets out to moderate range gets an ACOG TA31. Dedicated marksmen out to 600 meters or so get an SPR with a TS30A2 optic. Anyone shooting further than that gets a 7.62 gas rifle. Dedicated snipers retain the M-24.

The M-4 gets a closed gas system upper. Mags are expendable and will be replaced by steel mags, which will be crushed after the first mag related malfunction. Units deploying get all new mags, and range time to test fire them before deploying.

All marksmanship instructors will be proficient in the use of firearms, or they will not be training my soldiers. Master gunners and master trainers will get increased opportunities for advanced schooling and promotion.

All soldiers will qualify with their issue weapons on KD and unknown distance ranges, under all conditions, on combat simulators, and will engage in a force on force with Simunitions as a graduation exercise. Fail, die, and you get recycled till you pass, or are completely covered with one giant blood bruise.

Specialty weapons (M-249, M-203, M-240, M-2, etc.) users get two weeks of additional training and qualification on their assigned weapons. Graduate and collect extra incentive pay for being a steely eyed killer. Fail and retrain, retest. Fail again and back to the pool.

Soldiers showing exceptional skills in Basic Marksmanship will be given incentives for advanced schooling and training, promoted one grade, and offered assignment choices.

Divisional MTUs are reinstated. Competitions are held. Winners get prizes, money, promotion points, free leaves. Good MTUs get rewarded. Bad ones get retrained, retested, and back to the pool if still deficient. The AMU is responsible for training and evaluation, and reports directly to the CSA.

Soldiers must reverify shooting skills upon PCS reporting. No pencil whipping. Fail, be retrained, retested. Fail again, and return to a training pool for additional instruction.

MTU conducts testing, not your buddy. Infantrymen qualify every two months. Other Combat Arms every three months. CS/CSS, every four months.

New ranges will be built. Battalion and below have indoor ranges and sub-cal devices. Ammo and weapons are available for practice to soldiers to practice with on the range anytime with adult supervision. Lunch on the range anyone? Weapons effects simulators are in every battalion as well. Competitions are held and the winners get slots to advanced schools and training.

Ammunition is procured as required, and small arms ammo (.22LR, 9mm, 5.56, and 7.62) issued upon demand, not by allocation. Usage is monitored. Commanders get reports two levels below, and one above. Fail to shoot, but had time for DONSAs and Training Holidays? One warning. Then you are relieved.

Soldiers get paid for qualifying Expert, and are required to shoot for points as part of their promotion. Can't qualify, can't get promoted.

Get caught with an unmaintained/unserviceable weapon and get UCMJed. I don't care what your hair looks like. Can you use that smokewagon?

No more BS medals for "being there". You want a medal, kill bad guys or save your buddies.

Sorry, just my .02, YMMV.

TR

Where do I sign up?

QuietShootr 02-19-2004 19:03

Dear God, Reaper...

I almost got teary reading that.:D

KevinB 02-19-2004 21:40

TR - rooms for canuck's in the new model Army?

AngelsSix 02-19-2004 23:03

DAAAAAANNNNGG!! I like that!! Can I be one of your token chicks?? :D

Seriously, between the folks on this board we could essentially put together one hell of a guerrilla (damn, sp) unit and probably outdo the Army at it's own job. I know it's not that easy however, I wish it were.
I was asking about different equipment in class today and why the police don't have said equipment. Guess what?? Money. We can't afford the things we know work better, keep us safer and help us to do our jobs more effectively because someone just has to get rich. Same goes for the military. If we started doing this the smart way, using our internal sources, we would be ten times more effective.
We tend to outsource the wrong things, IMO.
And it's funny to me how all of the people with the right ideas aren't the ones in politics or in charge where they could make a difference.

KevinB 02-19-2004 23:07

Angles - do'ers are doing while the talkers are talking.

End result: Do'ers keep doing - and others run the show.

Just a little cynicism from North of the Line...

Ambush Master 02-19-2004 23:21

Quote:

Originally posted by KevinB
Angles - do'ers are doing while the talkers are talking.

End result: Do'ers keep doing - and others run the show.

Just a little cynicism from North of the Line...

In case you haven't noticed. Down here, "The Times They Are A Chang'in "

There are now "Do'ers" running the show !!!!

Just another .02 worth !!!

Later
Martin


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