CUTE!

Terry

LMAO!

I've heard two versions of the rumor, the participants, and the aftermath.

LOL....

SOG Question
 

Terry and Guys, I am going to say 10lb warheads.

I went to the first COVEY school at LT and it turned into conference more than a school. Our instructors started the first class and things went to Hell in a handbasket. Each Launch Team had diffirent things to consider to insert an RT.

North and South Launch Team at CCS used totally diffirent ways to insert an RT.

BMT

BMT, you were in the first class of Coveys?

SOG Question
 

Yes. The end of '69. Can not remember a time. Damn it has only been 34+ years.

BMT

I didn't know. Its an honor, even if it is just on the internet so far. First case is on me when we finally link up.

I like your attitude. :D

Counselor, you've got the attitude part right, I can attest to that!

Terry

Thanks. I was focused more on the volume than who pays for it, though! :D

OK, I'm back on station and will reply over the next few days. As to the rank question, can you say BUSTED !!! This organization was made up of THE most (current term) Think Outside of The BOX bunch of people that you could imagine. We had fun, sometimes it was at the expense of others and some were not crafty enough to not get CAUGHT !!! This sounds weird, but when we were in the "Rear" and were in a subdued sensual condition, the best of the Jungle Runners could Fuck Up !!! Be in the wrong place..........

I escaped a few of these near catastrophies and will follow with said tales at a later date.

As for the SF Course, read Tom Clancy's book on Special Forces. Not Fiction. What he describes today is exactly what I went through. As I understand it today, Weapons guys specialize in Light or Heavy. We had to Qual on both to include working the Air Side !!

30 rd mags, they were there when I got there in 1970. I do not know when they first arrived. I personally did not like them because we did not have the gear to carry them correctly and they were a hassle in deep jungle opns. They did snag and made it difficult to present the weapon quick enough to be able to be here today to talk about it !!!:D

Length of tour was an open ended thing. First you had to volunteer to do it, then be accepted, then pass the 1-0 School that would clear you for X-Border Opns. Many of us received "extentions" to stay and do our thing. Several ran for numerous tours (12 month).

That's it for now, will attempt to respond to the rest in this thread.

As a somewhat small note to the true nature of this site, MACVSOG received The Presidential Unit Citation for Valor on April 4, 2001 some 30+ years after the fact!

Quiet Professionals !!!

Later.

Martin

So 1-0 school wasn't just for 1-0s? Everyone in SOG had to go through it to go cross-border?

You got it !! After all, with the AO and Intensity of what we were running, you could go out as a 1-2 or even a strap-hanger and find yourself in the position of having to take charge of whatever was left !!! Everyone had to know how to run the team.

Later
Martin

Rank
 

As another note on rank. In the late 60s, before shake and bake, Tng Group graduated, PFCs and Sp4s. I entered Tng Group as a Pvt 2 adn was supposed to stay that rank until graduation. During my stay Tng Group became a Shake and Bake. This made guys with less time in the army then my class SGts while we were still Pv2s and PFCs. They finally relented and made us Sp4s but we would have graduated as PFCs had we not all raised hell over the rank.

I came into the army on Oki and went through the replacement Company there. During my one month stay there, I met several guys on the way to 5th that were only PFCs and Sp4s with full flashes.

Just a quick background ont he rank thing.