I agree with Saca, TR and the rest, the best firearm safety is instruction. I don't worry about my children. They have been shooting since they where very young. I worry about other peoples children. Ignorance is dangerous.

I would say teach the children young and pay attention to them and their behavior. WHY? because we are not all equal and there are just some people who should never have possession of a firearm.

A locked firearm is a safe firearm for the criminal too.

Old school thinking is, the real safety on a firearm, is the person holding it.

Agree with Saca and TR
 

I have to agree with everything presented here especially Saca and TR. My father raised me to respect guns and taught me from a very young age gun safety. It truly was the best thing since it not only made for a household that had both guns and children in it safely but gave me something I carry with me today. I can also say that it prevented any of my friends from ever thinking to pick up a gun in my families house due to my own understanding and respect of fire arms. For any others reading I keep my rifles in the safe in my home office and have a safe like the one shown with the fingerprint reader by the bed for my XD.

Teach them & dispel the mystery. Secure storage is a must in today's world.

circa 1972- 13 year old and his Mom home with Dad working swing shift. Screech of tires, young girl runs up on the front porch topless, nose bleeding screaming for help through the screen door. Mom lets girl in and is trying to close the front door as male runs up kicks the screen & starts to push his foot on the mesh. Mom bolts from door extremely frightened. Man reconsiders upon hearing round racked into BHP.

Man.... those SuperVel would've been loud inside the house! :D

I don't remember how old I was when I new that there was a gun under the folks mattress. I new what it was, what it did and that I wasn't to touch it or let anyone else touch it and Dad started me shooting at about age 5. Maybe this was negligence on Dad's part. Hell, he didn't even put me in a "baby carrier" and we went cross country several times on vacation with NO SEATBELT in the car!

Sorry if I digress.

I am in the market for a big safe.

http://www.patriotsafe.com/gun-safes-30wide.html looks to be a good deal.

Anyone have experience with Patriot Safes or have a recommendation for a good safe company?

Free shipping ends at your driveway, remember that.;)

When I asked friend that is a locksmith what is a good safe to buy, he asked how much money can you spend and what is the purpose. The more you spend the better safe you get and mentioned that Cabellas had some good safes. He also told me any safe can be broken into.


Here is an interesting thread on safes:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...f=118&t=412691


Personally, I am limited for space, I didn't have $1000 plus for a Cabellas safe so I picked up a 14 rifle SentrySafe. As safes go it is low end, but it keeps my little ones from the guns which was why I wanted it.

If someone wants to steal it, they are going to have to get it loose from 1/2 x 5" Wedg-it concrete anchors and 1/2 lag screws in the wall....while they are dealing with the dog and snoopy neighbors on all sides. If they drill it, I am screwed.

My buddy Jerry makes finely crafted access doors and access panels that look like part of a wall....add that with a good safe and your guns would probably be as secure as you could get them without a Armed Guard.


Good luck!

Hey, SSG Mac, you might want to go back and read the rules and stickies on this board before posting again. You missed a few steps.

TR

Child gun safety
 

I have 2 girls., I started teaching them that guns were dangerous. They were only to be used on a range and to protect oneself. I showed them my guns, handguns as well as long guns. I did not lock them up. But to reinforce my telling them how dangerous guns were, I did not allow them any toy guns, PERIOD. They knew what they were, so if they saw them, they did not become curious. As they became teenagers, I let them know that whenever they were interested, we would go to a range. Only one showed any interest. They are now in their late 20s and the youngest is the only one to shoot on a regular basis, and she prefers the 1911. Is thinking about competition. She has her own 9mm and a 1911. The eldest did eventually want to shoot, preferring a .38, but has no interest in owning one. This worked for me and neither my wife or I ever worried about gun safety. I started early with safety and practiced it.

J R sends
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Guns all over my house (except when the 5 year old grandson comes over). All my kids grew up knowing gun safety. There are guns strategically placed throughout my house without concern. Educate, Educate, Educate is the answer to gun safety with small children.

The 5 year old is almost old enough to start his education and it's a pleasure educating the future generation.

Not a dad but....
 

Education is key, but availability and familiarity also helps. My dad has had at one point in my life 60+ (I had the luxury of moving the bulk of them and the ammunition once or twice) functioning unsecured firearms in the house. I've been taught as far back as I can remember that firearms aren't toys that you treat casually and they must always be respected.

I can honestly say that he did the right thing by not making them the "forbidden fruit" that I could never get my hands on. I had access to them 24/7 (had a old semiauto Savage 12 gauge that I used for squirrel hunting at 12 that I kept in a corner of my room) so I didn't have the urge to mess with them because they were readily available any time I wanted them.

I started teaching my son about guns and the safe handling, proper use, dis assembly /cleaning and safe storage when he was 4yrs old and did the same with my daughter. I would take them shooting 1 to 5 times a week and I never worried about my kids getting into my guns. My son is now in the Army gong through Scout tryouts and then Ranger school and my daughter is in college to be an Orthopedic Surgeon and attends weapons classes with me.

The morale of the story: Teach the kids about weapons and there proper use and take them out and shoot.:D

Team Sergeant, might want to watch the video below. The safe can be rapidly accessed in short order. I am looking for something fool proof for my wife and striking out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovjvy...b2a8xQ&index=5

Take a look at the Ft Knox Pistol box. Not completely secure but has many more features than the gunvaults.

Heavier steel, and the locking mech is much better.

https://www.ftknox.com/store/index.p...&product_id=54

I don't think there ia any foolproof safes out there. But I would still put a gunvault against a 5 year old any day.....;) What the video fails to mention is that the kids would have to see the inside in order to have a glimmer of hope in defeating it.
I can also open my 1000 safe in about 5 seconds but it makes noise when opening. (Bolts moving.)