I will concur with this statement. You yourself stated that it would take an order from a superior to get you to fire on full auto. I myself wouldn't even do it if commanded to. I could state all of the obvious reasons that full auto is a waste in an individual's battle rifle, but I want to include one less obvious.

Open bolt machine guns were designed to fire full auto, not semiauto. They are made with less tolerance because the object is to spray your target down with a beaten zone (someone mentioned cone of fire...beaten zone is the result). Not being accurized is good for a machinegun. That said they can take a lot of abuse.

The individual battle rifle and more specifically the M16/M4 and variants are fairly accurized battle rifles (I'm not talking sniper stuff here just compared to other nations battle rifles ie AK). That said they have tighter tolerances and there for are susceptible to malfunction if not clean. I will give you an instance where this can be disastrous. Trench Fighting. By trench, I will say that means anything from a trench network to dug out fighting positions where the walls are dirt. When I was in 3/75th one of our Objs was K-22 :( it had a trench network dug around it to simulate Iraqi fighting positions (early 90s). We would clear the trenches then move to a shoot house and clear the OBJ. While clearing the trench with full auto CAR-15s the ATL was firing a burst and dirt was flying right into the chamber and I'm not entirely sure what caused it (headspace, cook off, slam fire) but the entire rifle blew up in the soldier's hand. He was lucky he wasn't injured.

My question would be: how does an open bolt (when on full auto) battle rifle make that situation any better? Wouldn't having the open bolt make this even MORE problematic? Or am I looking at this problem from the wrong angle?

I think I understand what you are trying to accomplish and like Brush Okey said you are trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist. I have fired many hundred rounds through full auto M4s without overheating problems or even cook offs and I was always expecting them.

I have seen cook offs with open bolt machine guns that have resulted in powder burns to soldiers faces and eyes.

How are these problems to be addressed?


And please don't get huffy over answers you don't want to hear. You are basically calling Dr Laura Slessinger. People call her because they want someone to agree with them, and usually walk away with a sad face. You may have a neat idea but what problem does it solve other than novelty? To keep the weapon cooler? Someone already made the piston driven M4s and in a DI system, it isn't REALLY a problem anyway. Unless you are inventing the caseless cartridge or a rail gun you are just modifying 100 year old tech... Reinventing the wheel so to speak.

Just throw a front sight on this sucker: M231 Firing Port Weapon and call it a day (M231 info is about the 5th paragraph down) :D

From the article (snip):

Just a little background on me if you want it, I served 10 years (Army) as a small arms repairer/fire control systems repairer (45B/45G). I am curious as to the benefit to those who would be using an open bolt, full-auto only designed rifle as opposed to a shorty SAW. I am not and have not been in SOF, but are there that many problems in the field with SAW's jamming or having feeding issues that would constitute a very expensive change like this? I'm all for innovation, but I also believe "if it ain't broke don't fix it".

One thing I have noticed as the ones who had the ability to contribute and give my request motive force actually responded in private.

The ones who felt compelled to give me "the business" over this had to do it publicly.


Simple really, I choose not to argue the point. I simply have better uses for my time. Not everyone is going to take the time to get to know me and not everyone is going to like any given thing a person comes up with.

I STILL invite anyone with knowledge specific to an open-bolt on an AR platform contact me. I have questions for you.

Nothing else is anything more than interesting, and that is being generous.

I find that you're an arrogant asshole. Go find a hug somewhere else. You're too inept to do your own research, ask for help in a completely unprofessional manner, then look down your nose at those who didn't add value or interest? Do you plan on compensating those who did respond? You don't need to argue this point: You're a inexperienced rude guest here. Not sure how much more specific I can be. Those who responded to you probably had better use for their time too, but yet they stopped to help you condescending son of a bitch.

What company did you say you represented again?

Way to represent.

Hmmmmmmmm
 

Lot's of us were in the Army in the early 90's. I must have missed the minor tradition of "crystal".

Mostly it was "Roger that, Airborne!" - SF skipped the "Airborne" bit most of the time - it was kind of an "implied task".

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It did cross my mind to go ahead and delete the thread, however, I believe it can still have value by showing others how NOT to act when in our house.

Have a very SF day.

I see....

You choose not to answer posts that make you and your "product" look like complete garbage. Okay. I still pose you you real world problems that you fail to address. 1. Keeping the action clean and 2. Keeping the shooter safe.

Questions you will have to answer when people actually may want to buy your.... Open bolt whatever. As someone earlier succinctly put it, you sir, are no salesman.

:munchin

We haven't had one of those in awhile............

Agree SGM. This thread has been moved.

This is what happens when you ignore the admins and staff.

TR