I agree and I pretty much feel the same way about dogs. Too many of them loose, running the deer and turkeys. In PA it is legal to shoot dogs that are running "big game". Unfortunately, I have dispatched 3 so far.

Hate doing it but that last instance was 2 dogs having run down an 8-point. I heard this incessant barking for about 20 minutes while in my stand. Got tired of it and went to see what was going on. By the time I got there the buck had a broken leg, was lying on the ground with a whole in its belly and entrails leaking out. The buck was still trying to defend itself but it did not stand a chance with two dogs. One was always at the head end trying to distract the buck while the other would come in from behind. I nailed the one dog with an arrow. It went down right away leaving the second dog wondering what the hell was going on since his buddy seemed to be taking a nap. I took a shot at the second dog but he was short legged and standing with his ass to me. The broadhead struck him on the top of his rump and then splayed open his back before it bounced off of his skull. He yelped and then ran for the hills.

The game warden eventually put the buck down and then found out later who owned the second dog. From what I understand the dog's owner was not too happy about having to pay the fine for his dog running big game along with the veterinarian bill.

CB Caps, Aguila Super Colibri are 20gr .22 rimfire that do not make any noise out of a long gun!! All you hear is the hammer, and they are lethal!!

I am willing to bet that the range is not that great and they should only be fired in a bolt action .22 rifle?

I shoot them out of both a BLR and an old Winchester Pump. I've perfed armadillos out to 20-25 meters with good effect!!

That is not too bad range-wise, but I primarily use the bow at that range with Montec SGH broadheads. These puppies will tear up a ground hog and even a coyote at 45 yards. Regular broadheads just sail through coyotes and ground hogs and because they are both so much closer to the ground the broadheads stand a much better chance of getting buggered up after exiting.

http://www.g5outdoors.com/product_detail/27

The only major problem that I can foresee is that my .22 is a Ruger 10-22 compact autoloader and I am not sure if there would be enough gas produced by the spent round to throw back the bolt, ejecting the spent round and loading the next one.

I do like the fact that they are really quiet. :D

Recently acquired the services of a lovely and only lightly used Rossi carbine version of the Winchester 62 gallery rifle.

A takedown rifle that holds 14 or so .22 CB Longs is a nice quiet anti-vermin gun.

TR

Interesting discussion. My dad is Basque from the old country and has told stories of his younger days hanging out with friends and drinking. Not that different from youth parties these days, but they liked to make a stew to feed everyone. In the absence of rabbit, which was fairly often, cat would be on the menu. He says it is every bit as good as rabbit. I've wondered if booze makes it taste better. Never tried it myself.

Workwise, I am issued several guns. However, I mostly use a .22 to put down anything from raccoons to elk. For about 2.5 years, I was stationed in Boulder which has a city deer population and zero hunting. I put down at least one deer just about everyday I worked that district. Some days as many as 5. Cars and fencing do what hunters would otherwise. Not to mention the mountain lions that roam the city most nights.

I am interested in the Aguila loads mentioned. I've tried a junky suppressed .22. It was every bit as loud as my regular .22, regardless of load used. I might try suppressed again someday.

The attached picture is of a sick bull I had to put down inside the shed. He kept charging me and I had to keep a tractor between us. The landowner didn't want me to put a hole in his shed, so I had to borrow his .22 pistol. A very old revolver. One shot was all it took. This is in my current location, not Boulder.:)

Dueling with a bull elk, with a .22 pistol, at 10 paces? To hell with that. It took me three rounds from a .308 to keep my last one down.

Elk are really tough critters. This one happened to be weakened, but they don't always go like that. Two years ago now, a couple of my subordinates were removing some problem elk. They had one cow that they had put two rounds through the lungs keep going for over an hour, before they could catch up and finish it.

For about a year now we've been using Black Hills loads with Accubonds in .308. They work really well on elk out to 500+.

FWIW

RB

Got any pics of elk you guys have tagged at "500+"?:munchin

I don't have pictures of everything we do. I note a hit of skepticism. I know that it may seem as such, but we do this quite a bit. The area we are doing this in is flat on the valley floor and they won't let you get very close. Vegetation is mostly sparse. If there is vegetation it is short grass and/or tall grease wood. I have been within 200 yards and can't get a shot. I personally took one cow at 540 and another which was a ranging error on my part was a bit farther. Not at all proud of that one, because I should have missed with the error. Both were one shot kills. Most shots are 300 to 400. We donate everything so I do have donation certificates. I really don't see a need to haul those out.

I just remembered I do have picture that is not the same place but very similar. The circle is a half mile across so these are spread out from about 600 to 800 plus yards.

RB

Do the donation certificates state the range as 500+? :munchin

Negative, but the pictures wouldn't either.

Tress,

Brownells offers a 22 short conversion bolt for the Ruger. Haven't looked for a short chambered barrel...

I now use a Winchester lo-wall in 22lr, before it was an old Winchester single-shot bolt gun, seems like it was a model 69.

MVP

Right.

Well, 500-yard (+) one-shot kills on elk with a .308 are definitely something to crow about. Too bad you didn't have an officer present to sign off on the kills. :D