As a quick side note, the SASS is turning into the biggest white elephant I have ever seen in SWSs. It is actually a step backwards! :mad:

I am shocked to hear that.

Shocked, I tell you!

TR

Yeah, I can tell. :D

I heard rumor this may get pulled and respecd as a 300WM

Which, the 338 or the SASS? The 300 Win mag is an interim fix for the dragging of feet on the 338.

The SASS is a joke now, making it a 300 would place the cherry on the top of the joke.

The 300 has its own problems, one of which is being belted. :munchin

LR heard the 338 is getting pulled back to respec to 300WM but you know how rumors are.

I have a MK13 and mine is one hole gun. Now of course I also got the only original M107 Break Down Bolt Action that would shoot into a group smaller than a football field. All the others would barely make it straight out of the bbl

The word we got from the POC in that posting was that they are going to revise the posting and remove any caliber restrictions/requirements. Also they won't even start the testing process until the end of the year, if at all.

J

Rick- I worked with you 2 years ago on this, are you saying we were making some progress? :)

I think the name "Mark 18" will work...

Seriously, though- why don't we just do what the CF folks are doing and go to just a 7.62 SASS for all our needs? Is there really a need for a bolt action? ;)

I envision "soon" we will have: .50 cal, PSR, SASS, Mk 12, SCAR Sniper System 5.56, SCAR SNiper System 7.62, SCAR LOng Barrel 5.56, and SCAR Long Barrel 7.62- some of each sprinkled non-uniformly throughout all the Groups.

You're killing me!! You're killing me!! :D

The programs are a wee bit screwed up. The general consensus of the snipers that i have talked with is the army is now screwed and the M110 is not even a good battle rifle as we had one cease to work after only 60 rounds. None will hold less than 1.5 moa and most are worse by a long shot.

The new Mk13s coming from wonderland, also known as Crane, are lucky to hold 1.5 moa and they say that is what the army asked for.

SCARs are a joke and fielding is up in the air. The sniper version is ....?

If I could I would shoot all involved in the project of jamming s**t down the guys throats.

bailaviborita - Believe it or not it is actually worse then it was a couple of years ago. :(

I had heard that wrt the scar. Last I heard there were four types in each of 5.56 and 7.62: CQB, standard, long barrel, and sniper system. The long barrel was going to be the sniper system- an interchangeable longer barrel and heavier stock that you could just snap on to the standard Scar and viola- instant sniper system. Of course no-one liked that idea outside of the manufacturer, crane, and socom- so they agreed to develop a separate program for replacing the Mark 11 and 12 based loosely on the SCAR standard. THey started calling the "longer barrel version" a "Designated Marksman rifle", as opposed to a sniper rifle. Amazed me at how ad-hoc it seemed they made decisions- by committee, no prep, and on-the-fly. And you wonder how we get programs that we do. The Marines were the lead- but I didn't see any "lead" except when we went to Quantico- and even then it was a mess- allowing guys from outside to interject whenever they wanted, etc.

As for it being worse now- not hard to believe either. The way we (SF and USASOC) select program guys is insane. The Navy guys have a retired operator who is paid a lot, knows his stuff, and knows the system. He is a tireless advocate for what the SEALs want and is in tight with Crane. We rotate every 1-2 years through SF NCO's on their way out, retired civilians managing other programs, and Acquisition folks who have never fired a weapon outside Basic. USASOC gets what they pay for...

Please explain why a SASS shoots so poorly. I have seen plenty of civilian semi-auto rifles shoot better than 1.5 MOA. My off-the-shelf DPMS does better than that when I do my part. :confused:

My guess would be that the workmanship sucks. That the problems that the original SR series had and never got rid of are still there as it is an inherent problem with the system. :munchin

Idiots and bean counters decided to replace the M24s with the SASSs and now the Army will pay the price for this folly. They allowed a manufacturers to convince them that the weapon was accurate to 1000 meters while the M24 was only accurate to 800 meters. This was one of the driving forces to replace rather than augment. I would like to see the idiots fired for this debacle but I doubt that will happen they will probably get promoted while our guys wind up with a weapon system that will not even make a good battle rifle. The idiots will blame lower echelon personnel and get them fired. :mad:

Glad I kept all of the email on this one. :munchin

bailaviborita - The sniper version of the SCAR has been on hold for awhile and there are still problems with the other versions. Hopefully it will be tested under actual conditions instead of conditions designed to get it to pass. Time will tell.

LR,

I commend you for you dedication and patience.

Smokin Joe - Thank you, just trying to carry on what others have worked so hard to make happen right, instead of letting it go by the wayside. :o

No Rick, dont be modest. You have done more for snipers of either Military or LE than most have any idea. I like many others have learned a ton from you over the many years I have known you