"Violence works", this is not new to me. I don't think we need to run from it though.

If you think that once we pull out that the violence will stop, well...I wish it were so, but I don't think so.
When they get their country, and they will I have no doubt, this will not stop terrorists. Their police and their army will not engage in warefare, at least not in traditional forms.

It has already been established that "facts on the ground" make it impossible to leave the WB, and what would you suggest, forcing thousands to leave their homes? We are not talking about Gaza, or the Sinai, this is far closer.

The strategic value is debatable. I think it is very strategic, although it is costly. To prove this, P. Bush agreed that the larger settlement blocks cannot be uprooted.

Econonmically, trade, well I am in agreement there, as I stated in my post before.

DanJam, my friend., i never said we should run from it, but we also shouldn't be tied into a though process of "they used violence, so we can't give in to look weak".

An as far as the big blocks go, Efrat etc., i am in total agreement, and should have made this clear, thse should be included within the border and have al the smaller settlements, if they want to, join them.

I know thw vuiolence won;t stop, ever, but it will be easier to manage, read my previous post.

Looks like this has turned into a 2 man discussion ;-)

Hoepoe

Maybe, but I am certainly learning from reading it. :)

Looking at the discussion is a good example of the discussions going on in public here as well. Each person has a different view.

Add in world opinion, the enemies opinion, and we go no where unless we have a leader who says, we are doing this!

Look at the time the discussion was going on, hoepoe. I went to bed at 3 am. Perhaps others will join in today.

RL, how are you?

My comment was a tension breaker between DanJam and me, no more ;-) Great topic.

I;m off to bed.

Lila Tov

Hoepoe

I am supposed to be at a conference, but I am working in my hotel room instead. Lovely view of Alcatraz, Coit Tower and the Golden Gate Bridge, though . . .

I thought I might have seen Sacamuelas walking down the street. Do you think this is him?

LOL.... You confuse me with your other "Village" friends. BTW, With that fancy tool belt, no wonder you are starting threads about building things! LOL:p

Very artistic. Fag. LOL

Hey, lets get back to the discussion.... I'm in the learning mode.

I'm here learning here too.

You heard the Team Sergeant. Full briefing.

The UN sucks, but this is not a horribly bad link. More to come:

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html

I like this guy:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1532

General background:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/is.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0516/p06s01-wome.html