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jatx 05-22-2006 14:00

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
There are other factors.....

fine do a glock, 40,& 45 and then a HK 40 and 45 full size, oh and I don't have a reloading scale!:munchin

If you're trying to win a bet, I'm going to want a piece of the action! :cool:

ETA: Can someone with a scale tell me the slide assembly weights with the barrels removed? :munchin

MAB32 05-22-2006 16:07

Ok, no more trade secrets. You all will probably go out and buy small compact cars and race along side semi trucks!:D

jbour13 05-22-2006 16:11

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Originally Posted by MAB32
Ok, no more trade secrets. You all will probably go out and buy small compact cars and race along side semi trucks!:D

Wouldn't give up the crew cab sierra for a go cart just to get out of a ticket. I'll take it off road to get out of one though!!! :D

(That's a joke, I stop and comply like a good boy ;) )

Endorphin Rush 05-22-2006 16:12

I won't make any promises, but I'm trying to find an answer as I type this. Our department does not use radar (only the state police can use it at this time), however, I'm pushing all the buttons I know of that may be able to answer whether it can be used for this purpose or not.

Again, won't make any promises I can't keep, but I know a few troopers who might be up for testing this. We'll see.....

NousDefionsDoc 05-22-2006 16:16

TS,
You're going to be disappointed, the Glock will be faster...;)

Roguish Lawyer 05-22-2006 16:31

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
TS,
You're going to be disappointed, the Glock will be faster...;)

Faster shooting is not better shooting. Heard that from an expert. :munchin

NousDefionsDoc 05-22-2006 16:34

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
Faster shooting is not better shooting. Heard that from an expert. :munchin

We are not talking about shooting Counselor, we are talking about slides cycling. Do try to keep up.:)

Team Sergeant 05-22-2006 16:35

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
TS,
You're going to be disappointed, the Glock will be faster...;)

LOL, I'm betting it is, significantly. One of its problems is its slide speed.;)

Roguish Lawyer 05-22-2006 16:36

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
We are not talking about shooting Counselor, we are talking about slides cycling. Do try to keep up.:)

The purported fact that Glock may cycle somewhat faster than an HK doesn't make it better than an HK.

Endorphin Rush 05-22-2006 16:40

This may be what you need for this job:

http://www.astroproducts.net/Sports_..._Radar_Gun.htm

I haven't confirmed with their techies yet, but it appears that if you cycle the slide without using live ammo (so as to not clock the speed of the projectile itself) you might have success. You might also be able to use live ammo as long as you effectively block the signature of the projectile from the speed timing device.

After further reading and thought, you would probably have to test the slide velocity with only one round in the magazine, so that the slide locks open. To allow the slide to return to battery would cause the radar device to take readings both travelling towards and away from it, potentially causing errors.

NousDefionsDoc 05-22-2006 16:40

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
The purported fact that Glock may cycle somewhat faster than an HK doesn't make it better than an HK.

Never said it did Genio. Knickers in a knot or you been readin' Massad Ayoob again?

NousDefionsDoc 05-22-2006 16:46

BTW,
I would expect an $800 gun to be a better gun than $400 gun. In the spirit of the LeMas thread, how about a test? If you can shoot better than I do with twice the gun, I'll...I'lll....well, I don't believe in suicide.

jatx 05-22-2006 18:26

The radar gun won't be accurate because the slide's speed is not constant throughout the cycle. Velocity peaks just before the slide impacts the receiver, and is considerably lower on the way back into battery.

We know that Glock slide assemblies are lighter than USP slide assemblies in the same caliber. That much is clear to anyone who has field stripped both. If you hold recoil spring force, loads, and firmness of grip constant, there is no way that the USP can have a faster cycle time than a Glock of equivalent barrel length and caliber. There is surely a small difference in the distance each slide travels to the rear, but not enough to make a difference.

I wish I could find those slide assembly weights! Google is failing me tonight...

Kraut783 05-22-2006 20:45

No...neither the lazer gun or hand held radar will record the speed of a slide action. Tried yesterday for the heck of it. radar used was two...stalker and MPH. Just FYI.


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