They stopped vetting people.

The Gift Shop wound up creating new lists at least three times because of guys who requested them and were vetted, and never paid up or came to pick up the knife.

Hammer on the SFA about it, IMHO, they should be vetting and selling them, if SWCS and the Gift Shop won't.

TR

Is the SFA going to pick up the banner and vet and sell them:confused: ?

Tell you what (and I've told this to the SFA) we'll sell them off of here if its a problem. If SFA vetted them we could take care of the rest.;)

TS

Wish they would agree..... Wanted one since I heard of them and would like to pass it to my son if he goes SF. A Father son thing. He is planning on applying next year when he gets on active duty.

Tried ordering one but got the run around by the ladys..... Hard to do it from South of the Border.

TS keep the pressure up on them and if you need help let me know.

SF_BHT

I missed the Boat also. If there is a list to sign or a person to write let us know. Ill commit to buying one. All I have now is a stick with a nail on the end of it:boohoo

I am ready to pay for it now! In advance, if required.

Sounds like we have a (new) mission......;)

TS

Whoa Whoa Whoa! You aren't Planning on getting rid of a fine piece of equipment like that for just a Harsey knife, Are you? The GB/Yarborough is fine and good, but the board with a nail in it represents Old world craftsmanship rendered in finest third world quality Materials. There is speculation that just such an Implement may be the preferred weapon of the formidable NDD, just as the Lightsabre was to the Jedi. :D


:munchin

Good times,
blake

Actually we use the stick and nail as a last resort for for students during CQB. First safety violation we take his weapon away and replace it with a Sims Gun. If he continues to pose a danger to himself and those around him we take the Sims away and issue the stick and nail.

I actually constructed this device in Indonesia and briefed the Students for it's purpose. They thought it was pretty funny. But they were shit hot so they could afford to laugh at my Stick and Nail. They hung it on the wall after the course.
Those were some of the best Students I ever trained. The guys from Bali were the best. They were squared away hard charging troops. But they all had that laid back Surfer attitude.

Back on track, what can we do to convince USASOC to release more Harsey Yarborough Knives to past graduates? Obviously they have them for new graduates. But what is their reason for not allowing past graduates to buy them anymore? Did they catch people selling them or buying more then one? Why the limited run?
It's special because only SF can have one. But thats not entirely true. In reality not all SF Soldiers can own one. Just the ones who were in a position to buy one. I'm taking my stick with a nail and going home;)

Bill told me when i asked the same questions "Who, Whatttt, Why, How can we help" that the people responsible were overwhelmed by the paperwork.
He also said that TS was talking to SFA to try to get them on board.

My thought is hell we are SF and maintaining a list, receiving money and shipping is just like trying to get the team fund out of your team mates and balancing the books for the bar. Hell we are supposed to the the best of the best. Oh I know they gave it to a bunch of secretary's that just did not want Bet we can get a bunch of Old Farts to do the Job and It should be QP's not secretary's.

I am willing also to Pay NOW for the Knife if that would help...
Retirement and a good job now allows me to have the things that I could not have as a team member or as a Team Sergeant. Used to sacrifice to have the little things but I could not take the food out of the mouths of the kids.

This should be a new Thread and lets get the power of all active QP's and EX/Retired QP's behind it.

:D TS Tag you are it.:D

Here is a news flash.

The knives were on sale for at least three years and did not overwhelm the secretary. There were plenty in stock. Most people who said they wanted them never ponied up the money. It took six months for the last half dozen knives to be paid for and picked up.

The USASOC CG directed SWCS and the Gift Shop to handle all of the paperwork without providing any additional resources.

SWCS does not have an automated database, so a couple of people had to take on additional duties to make this happen.

The Gift Shop had to deal with angry customers who wanted the knife, but did not have the paperwork or creds. I suspect the Secretary had to deal with some of these people as well. They also had to order and secure serial numbered items and maintain strict accountability.

The fielding plan sucked. The first people to get knives should have been the ODAs. Then SF guys not on teams. Then new graduates. There was not enough money to do it this way, so the Team Sergeants never got the knife issued, but the newbie on the team did. Thanks a lot for your years of service, old dudes.:rolleyes:

There was never really a good plan for anything but team guys walking in on Bragg to purchase the knife in person. As soon as the non-Bragg Groups, retirees, spouses and groups for gifts, etc. started making special requests for the knives, more rules had to be made, along with exceptions.

As soon as the USASOC CG who pushed this on SWCS was gone and SWCS was able to get out of this requirement, they did.

I do not see them picking it up again without significant pressure.

TR

Good info. Let us know when they get it back on track.:munchin

Thanks for the clarification. Next time it has to be mandatory full payment before time and resources are are used to vet someone. I don't blame them for being pissed. I remember trying to take orders for shirts and hats before receiving payment. We had to make everyone pay first because we got stuck with extra Hats and Shirts every class. Or we would sell the extras off and the guy who originally ordered would show up a month later asking for his shirt. Only sure way is to collect all the money first.
I had the SFAUC fund pretty high. It was nice to get people good gifts and not have to collect money for flowers or to help someone out. Also having extra coins and T-Shirts for visitors went a long way.
Before anyone says anything we had the Group Commanders blessing to run this fund for said purposes. Of course he might not of had permission. Usually his name had the most IOU'S on the frig each month. Sucks having to tell the Group Commander to pay up.

Mille grazie, signore ! :cool:

Thanks Brad ! I had a very good time. Good talking to you on the phone ! Actually Razor and I were taking turns buying the beer at the Sufferin´ Bastards Tavern. :D

TS,

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