Point made in my view. Some time ago, before evil polymer (and Hi-Point), the efforts to eradicate the wicked "Saturday Night Special" - a short-barreled .38 revolver - had a collateral impact on minorities. In its day, it was simply an affordable & functioning weapon of choice for those who weren't into engraved 1911's. Another option to be denied them, and the aspiring despot does not consider 2nd & 3rd order effects of their actions on others unless it is in their burgeoning interest.

Escaping the dependent mindset is tough & also starts with states refusing programs that get barbed tenterhooks into their domain under the cover-sheet of money. It ain't easy; often the only way to do it is to cut off the barb and pull the the rest of the thing through. Painful, but it works. Here, bite down on the stick.

I suspect if that were the case, they would have to on a more regular basis.

Richard :munchin

I don't follow your logic. :confused:

Would criminals become more aggressive because potential victims are armed?
Would formerly law-abiding citizens start criminal endeavors because they now can be legally armed?

It just seems to me that more weapons per capita in those "certain large cities" would mean more incidences per capita of weapons related injury - whether unintentional or intentional.

Obviously YOV.

Richard :munchin

While I had some logic questions as well, I do seem to recall a study done in the 1970's about how muggers were more likely to be armed and to strike victims first thereby disabling them in areas of the country where armed citizens were more prevalent. What changed that was the sentencing add-ons for those convicted for the more violent and/or armed offenses.

Another study from the 80's indicated that armed citizens who were in drinking establishments were more likely to be involved in an altercation with their firearm. I suspect the study and question the chicken v. egg situation regarding altercations and drinking establishments.

Some of those cities are war zones, Bro. I would not want to have to do business in certain areas of certain cities without packing max heat.

If disarmament of the criminal element would work, it would have already been done.

You would suspect wrong. That's not the case and never has been.

We've already shown correlations between urban gun violence and armed and unarmed citizens of large cities. Richard if you're going to continue to comment of this subject you should do more reading and less "suspecting".

My reading
 

My reading of the link you posted shows a big link in shootings - and it wasn't the guns.

Violence is color blind.
 

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...0,977110.story

The trouble began soon after they arrived.

The black family—a mother, three teenage children and a 10-year-old boy—moved into a little yellow home in Compton over Christmas vacation.

When a friend came to visit, four men in a black SUV pulled up and called him a "nigger," saying black people were barred from the neighborhood, according to Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies. They jumped out, drew a gun on him and beat him with metal pipes.

It was just the beginning of what detectives said was a campaign by a Latino street gang to force an African American family to leave.

The attacks on the family are the latest in a series of violent incidents in which Latino gangs targeted blacks in parts of greater Los Angeles over the last decade.

Compton, with a population of about 97,000, was predominantly black for many years. It is now 65% Latino and 33% black, according to the 2010 U.S. census. But it's not only historically black areas that have been targeted.

Federal authorities have alleged in several indictments in the last decade that the Mexican Mafia prison gang has ordered street gangs under its control to attack African Americans. Leaders of the Azusa 13 gang were sentenced to lengthy prison terms earlier this month for leading a policy of attacking African American residents and expelling them from the town.

Similar attacks have taken place in Harbor Gateway, Highland Park, Pacoima, San Bernardino, Canoga Park and Wilmington, among other places. In the Compton case, sheriff's officials say the gang appears to have been acting on its own initiative.

Sheriff's detectives said Friday they had arrested Jeffrey Aguilar, 19, of Gardena and Efren Marquez, 21, of Rialto, both alleged members of the Compton Varrio 155 gang, and are continuing to look for more assailants.

"This family has no gang ties whatsoever," Sheriff's Lt. Richard Westin said. "They are complete innocent victims here."

The 19-year-old family friend managed to break free that first day and run into the house, where the children were the only ones at home.

The attackers left, but a half-hour later a crowd of as many as 20 people stood on the lawn yelling threats and epithets. A beer bottle crashed through the living room window as the youngsters watched in horror.

"They were scared if they called the sheriff they'd be killed," Westin said. "So they called their mom, who called the Sheriff's Department."

The gang members were gone by the time deputies arrived, but they kept coming back, almost daily, driving by slowly until they got someone's attention, then yelling racial insults and telling them to leave. The mother sent the children to live with relatives and is now packing up to leave herself.

"This gang has always made it clear they have a racial hatred for black people," said Westin, who has worked in the area for more than two decades. "They justify in their own sick minds because of their rivalry with the Compton black gangs. They repeatedly used racial epithets, they use racial hatred graffiti and they tag up the black church a lot."

At the home on 153rd Street on Friday, the rain-drenched street was empty and quiet. But the gang's presence was clear.

Its tags marked several long walls, stop signs, curbs and school crossing signs — often with the nicknames of individual gang members included.

Crews remove the graffiti almost every morning.

Down the street, the Greater Holy Faith Missionary Baptist Church — a remnant from the time when Compton was almost all black — is often tagged, most recently, just below the cross.

Neighbors say its pastors come on Sundays and no longer live in the area.

Snip

This is one of our of our more brilliant delegates last week while the General Assembly was in session. Notice the placement of his thumb, clearly he is well versed in firearms. He also happens to be the same guy who was charged with multiple felonies back in the 90's for "losing" some firearms while in his custody.

Maybe if the Federal and State governments had done their duty WRT controlling illegal immigration, this problem wouldn't exist at its current magnitude.

I have asked my Senators and Congressman to end the "Anchor Baby" draw for illegal immigrants as part of any "Immigration Reform". Congress has the ability to end anchor babies being citizens, the power to do so was given to Congress in the 14th A. They could allow people with a green card to be exempt or limit citizenship to children born to citizens. This is not an ethnic issue as there are a lot of illegals from Canada and Europe as well as from Asia.

Alabama: http://alisondb.legislature.state.al...CASLoginie.asp

Dominoes keep falling...

The Buckin' Bronc (aka 'Cowboy State') stays in the saddle
 

In addition to WY's HB104, which I like to think of as the "go pound sand" piece, Wyoming also has HB105 in the works, which seems consistent with the recent letter provided by our country's Quiet Professionals* which contained actual positive ideas to foster the other side of the so-called "national conversation."

Link to Billings Gazette.


* which continues to go viral. :D